# stkd-SCRT Validator Set Proposal Draft #2 (Post Feedback) **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [June 30, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334 "2023-06-30T16:28:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CarterWoetzel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/carterwoetzel/32/14_2.png) [@CarterWoetzel](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/CarterWoetzel)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/1 "2023-06-30T16:28:46Z")
After receiving feedback from various folks, we would propose the following change to stkd-SCT validator set. We believe that network sustainability can take many forms. In the past, we focused on quantitative measures to predict success of Secret Network with a focus entirely on validators. As SCRT enters new lows, we see network sustainability as supporting validators who can **qualitatively prove to be growth engines to the network.** (1) 40% (Secure Secrets - core Secret DeFi contributor) (2) 25% (IBC relayers) (3) 35% (wallets / dapps / analytics / support) Full list would look as follows: (1) Secure Secrets (40%) - Shade (2) Lavendar5 (15%) - IBC (3) CryptoCrew (10%) - IBC (4) Secret Saturn (5%) - Secret Dashboard + support (5) Xavier Capital (5%) - CryptoClerk + support (6) Stake or Die (5%) - stkd-SCRT + dSHD (7) Starshell (4%) - Wallet (8) Keplr (4%) - Wallet (9) Fina (4%) - Major Dapp / Wallet (10) Alter (4%) - Major Dapp (11) Stashh (4%) - Major Dapp In this evolution of stkd-SCRT, delegations are focused on driving growth of **usage** on Secret Network as opposed to a focus purely on validator performance. Secure Secrets (core team building Shade Protocol) also received feedback that 85% was too high which would put some of the key qualities of stkd-SCRT in jeopardy. We care about the customers & users of stkd-SCRT so this feedback was fully taken into consideration. Under this new proposed method, the validator set shrinks from 23 to 11 while still maintaining decentralization & promotion of key growth engines on Secret Network. ---
**Author:** ![pmuecke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@pmuecke](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/pmuecke)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 8:40am UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/2 "2023-07-01T08:40:20Z")
> [@CarterWoetzel](#): > > Full list would look as follows: > > (1) Secure Secrets (40%) - Shade > (2) Lavendar5 (15%) - IBC > (3) CryptoCrew (10%) - IBC > (4) Secret Saturn (5%) - Secret Dashboard + support > (5) Xavier Capital (5%) - CryptoClerk + support > (6) Stake or Die (5%) - stkd-SCRT + dSHD > (7) Starshell (4%) - Wallet > (8) Keplr (4%) - Wallet > (9) Fina (4%) - Major Dapp / Wallet > (10) Alter (4%) - Major Dapp > (11) Stashh (4%) - Major Dapp Seems like a good overall list to me, 40% is of course _much_ better than 85% but still too centralized for my personal liking. It’d be better to pull up the nodes with a 4% allocation to 5% and add two or three more 5% nodes. That way only 20 to 25% of the allocation is to secure secrets, a level much more comfortable from a decentralization as well as risk point of view. Even the best node runners make mistakes, as we’ve seen in the past. Regarding the nodes those additional slots should go to, Secret University could be considered since they aim to increase the amount of developers on the network as well as supporting the first steps into the ecosystem for devs. Since you mention analytics in the proposal it could also make sense to add cowlevel who is working on a complete rework of Secret analytics. It may also make sense to add an additional IBC slot, if you ask I’m sure one of the relayers would be open to strenghten the connections you are interested in. Lastly, in the past there was a hard cap at 5% for validator commissions in the allocation set, with this proposal that limit is removed. What is the expected effect on apr compared to the current model? ---
**Author:** ![Ertemann](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/ertemann/32/25_2.png) [@Ertemann](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Ertemann)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/3 "2023-07-02T17:52:04Z")
i can see why the team would want to direct stkd-scrt to their own validator and although i appreciate the generous amount stated for the organization i work for i must say that i liked the old distribution much better. Changing the set might cause unbondings and lack of overall stkd-scrt support in light of potential competitors in st-SCRT and b/seSCRT. ---
**Author:** ![Jiricepelka.scrt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/jiricepelka.scrt/32/366_2.png) [@Jiricepelka.scrt](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Jiricepelka.scrt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/4 "2023-07-03T16:25:28Z")
Personally, I’d add 1-2% for the Secret Africa guys, but I’ll leave it up to you, I like the distribution and it makes sense ---
**Author:** ![Jamama\_2354](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/jamama_2354/32/342_2.png) [@Jamama\_2354](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Jamama_2354)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/5 "2023-07-03T21:50:33Z")
We don’t usually chime up in the forums but I keep a tab on the conversations. I’d love to have V-IRL included in the redelegations but we don’t have a V-IRL specific val up. I currently receive delegations under the Jamama Moniker due to meeting the requirements. V-IRL is still alive and kicking. We’re working on add tap to claim functionalities for our V-ID tech and are looking to collab on an IRL event in the next 3-6 months demoing our ticketing use-case. We’d love to sync up with Shade on that, or any other SN DAPP. ---
**Author:** ![autostake](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/autostake/32/343_2.png) [@autostake](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/autostake)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/6 "2023-07-04T11:42:00Z")
We are also a SecreNetwork IBC Relayer just FYI 🙂 Address: > **[Interchain Explorer by Cosmostation](https://www.mintscan.io/secret/account/secret19r27uswt23nr68tp5pfxzcguatd6k5jjp6ssnw)** > > Interchain block explorer and data analytics for sovereign blockchain networks. Live View: [https://ibc.autostake.com](https://ibc.autostake.com) ---
**Author:** ![CarterWoetzel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/carterwoetzel/32/14_2.png) [@CarterWoetzel](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/CarterWoetzel)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/7 "2023-07-04T15:27:12Z")
Feel free to reach out to me on telegram @CarterWoetzel - would love to learn more ---
**Author:** ![CarterWoetzel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/carterwoetzel/32/14_2.png) [@CarterWoetzel](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/CarterWoetzel)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/8 "2023-07-04T15:28:12Z")
We apologize for missing you on the list, out of curiosity what other chains are you helping relay on that connect to Secret Network? ---
**Author:** ![autostake](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/autostake/32/343_2.png) [@autostake](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/autostake)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/9 "2023-07-04T16:07:28Z")
It’s all good Currently: SecretNetwork \<=\> Osmosis SecretNetwork \<=\> Kujira SecretNetwork \<=\> Sentinel SecretNetwork \<=\> Sifchain SecretNetwork \<=\> Terra2 SecretNetwork \<=\> Akash SecretNetwork \<=\> Injective We are also currently revamping our IBC setup and with that we will start relaying for between every single chain (all of them minus cosmoshub(for now)) we validate where there is an open used channel ---
**Author:** ![brain\_tumor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/brain_tumor/32/349_2.png) [@brain\_tumor](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/brain_tumor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/10 "2023-07-05T19:23:48Z")
> [@pmuecke](#): > > Seems like a good overall list to me, 40% is of course _much_ better than 85% but still too centralized for my personal liking. It’d be better to pull up the nodes with a 4% allocation to 5% and add two or three more 5% nodes. That way only 20 to 25% of the allocation is to secure secrets, a level much more comfortable from a decentralization as well as risk point of view. Even the best node runners make mistakes, as we’ve seen in the past. couldnt agree more. > [@Jiricepelka.scrt](#): > > I’d add 1-2% for the Secret Africa guys +1 for Secret Africa guys. > [@](#): > > (1) Secure Secrets (40%) - Shade > (2) Lavendar5 (15%) - IBC > (3) CryptoCrew (10%) - IBC > (4) Secret Saturn (5%) - Secret Dashboard + support > (5) Xavier Capital (5%) - CryptoClerk + support > (6) Stake or Die (5%) - stkd-SCRT + dSHD > (7) Starshell (4%) - Wallet > (8) Keplr (4%) - Wallet > (9) Fina (4%) - Major Dapp / Wallet > (10) Alter (4%) - Major Dapp > (11) Stashh (4%) - Major Dapp as pmuecke said, bump 4%ers to 5%, especially since some of those teams contribute more than just what they are known for. for ex, i understand starshell team contributes to snips, core network code, ledger, etc. ---
**Author:** ![zenopie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/zenopie/32/330_2.png) [@zenopie](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/zenopie)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/11 "2023-07-11T14:05:35Z")
Woooooo! Give this node an allocation 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Smolaf](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/smolaf/32/350_2.png) [@Smolaf](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Smolaf)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/12 "2023-07-11T17:20:34Z")
Must disagree here Jiri, that’s taking away 2% from core contributors to Shade and giving it to a group that has so far only drained money from Secret treasury. ---
**Author:** ![Smolaf](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/smolaf/32/350_2.png) [@Smolaf](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Smolaf)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/13 "2023-07-11T17:23:57Z")
I like the list and support Secure Secrets having, who are core contributors of Shade, a large %. This list has sustainability in mind and as you say, “qualitatively prove to be growth engines to the network”, could not agree more about that! ---
**Author:** ![RedRabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/redrabbit/32/319_2.png) [@RedRabbit](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/RedRabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/14 "2023-07-11T22:46:28Z")
I think it would be nice to maybe highlight validator partners/supporters/contributors that support and do contribute to Shade and its growth but didn’t necessarily make the cut for stkSCRT delegations (at least this time around) but that do validate on other chains that community members could stake their ATOM, STARS, OSMO, etc with to recognize and provide some indirect support and keep validators that have been cut or those looking to become more active, in the fold so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![CarterWoetzel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/carterwoetzel/32/14_2.png) [@CarterWoetzel](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/CarterWoetzel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 9:22am UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/15 "2023-07-14T09:22:07Z")
After additional feedback, this is the proposed set: (1) 25% (Secure Secrets - core Secret DeFi contributor) (2) 25% (IBC relayers) (3) 50% (wallets / dapps / analytics / support) Full list would look as follows: (1) Secure Secrets (25%) - Shade (2) Lavendar5 (10%) - core IBC (3) Autostake (10%) - core IBC (4) CryptoCrew (5%) - IBC (5) Secret Saturn (5%) - Secret Dashboard + support (6) Xavier Capital (5%) - CryptoClerk + support (7) Stake or Die (5%) - stkd-SCRT + dSHD (8) Starshell (5%) - Wallet (9) Fina (5%) - Major Dapp / Wallet (10) Alter (5%) - Major Dapp (11) Stashh (4%) - Major Dapp (12) Cow Level (4%) - Secret Analytics / Shade API assistance (13) Jamama (4%) - V-IRL dApp (14) Keplr (4%) - Wallet (15) Secret University (4%) - Developer Education / Docs ---
**Author:** ![Jiricepelka.scrt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/jiricepelka.scrt/32/366_2.png) [@Jiricepelka.scrt](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Jiricepelka.scrt)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/16 "2023-07-15T12:23:23Z")
For example, in the area of wallets, there are a lot of entities that “draining money from Secret treasury” Education, or creating a wallet, does not generate profit, it generates adoption ---
**Author:** ![Smolaf](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/smolaf/32/350_2.png) [@Smolaf](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Smolaf)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/17 "2023-07-16T20:17:09Z")
In theory I agree. But this has been discussed before, and there are many arenas to focus on for adoption. And I take the side that this is the wrong starting-point and the wrong use of money at this point. I would much rather give more to Fina for the important Silk-Fina partnership and for their excellent work. ---
**Author:** ![zenopie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/zenopie/32/330_2.png) [@zenopie](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/zenopie)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/18 "2023-08-03T01:58:43Z")
You’re a bitch for not including my validator. Hehehe. Give me 1% ---
**Author:** ![Ertemann](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.shadeprotocol.io/ertemann/32/25_2.png) [@Ertemann](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/u/Ertemann)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 10:27am UTC](https://forum.shadeprotocol.io/t/stkd-scrt-validator-set-proposal-draft-2-post-feedback/334/19 "2023-08-04T10:27:38Z")
I want to note the metrics on Relayers per TXs performed: [https://relayers.smartstake.io/network/SCRT](https://relayers.smartstake.io/network/SCRT) CrosNest recently joined upon recommendation to improve the relayer redundancy. Them together with Cryptocrew are by far the most reliant/responsive. CryptoCrew and L5 both run archive to also enable flushing packets. Whispernode also recently joined the relayer set leveraging the IBC ansible from L5, they support less networks but is very helpful to have this redundancy. L5 does most IBC coordination for Secret - as it has always done since supernova.